How NOT to do technical recruiting: Sunil Kumar of Panzer Solutions

So, “Sunil Kumar” of Panzer Solutions wrote to me a ten days ago offering a position. Normally, I appreciate hearing from recruiters. As it happens, I have no interest in a new job; I am happy with my current position and have plenty of new challenges there recently. But it is nice to hear the signs that my industry is doing well, and keeping up contacts with recruiters in my area is a good idea.

But Mr. Kumar didn’t write me about a position commiserate with my specific skills, he wrote to tell me “We have more than 100 W2 working currently with successful hit.” (That’s not quite English, but it’s fairly close.) There are recruiters who work hard to match up a particular applicant with a position where their skills and their career/environment preferences are a good fit. When I am doing the hiring (and just to note, Capital One is hiring right now in the Wilmington area), I love working with these recruiters: they bring me just 3 resumes and I end up wanting to bring in all 3 for further interviews. That’s a much more pleasant experience than digging through a stack of resumes most of whom can’t pass the FizzBuzz test.

Mr. Kumar is in a different category altogether: he clearly thinks recruiting is a numbers game: if he just sends enough applicant names to enough open positions then he’ll be successful. He won’t be, because he’s not adding value. So I politely wrote back to Mr. Kumar explaining this and asking that he not send me “blind mailing” style job offers. A week later I have received TWO other emails from Mr. Kumar stating that “Panzer Solutions is looking to hire 10-20 New H1b’s and OPT EAD’s in coming one month.” (Still, not quite English.) Besides being a violation of federal employment law (I’m not a lawyer, but I was under the impression that companies were not permitted to favor H1B holders over citizens), this is no better than spam, either for the recipient (me) or the employer to whom the names are offered.

So I am Naming and Shaming Mr. Sunil Kumar of Panzer Solutions, and I will never do business with him or his company. Here’s hoping this article jumps to the top of the search rankings for those names so that others will recognize their uselessness sooner and Panzer and Mr. Kumar can quickly go out of business and leave space for better recruiters who actually make the hiring process easier, not harder.

Comments

25 Responses to “How NOT to do technical recruiting: Sunil Kumar of Panzer Solutions”

  1. Vance on 2013-03-01 12:44 pm

    I found your blog after you commented on mine- and BOOM- this thing is great. You are bold for naming and shaming but I applaud that- people that throw around H1B visa possibilities are snakes.

  2. George B. on 2013-06-12 2:31 pm

    Panzer solutions is the worst of the worst out there. I have requested that the remove me from all future mailing at least 4 times to date. They spam me with requirements that aren’t even close to what I do. And to make it worse the requirements that they send are way outside of what any normal person would consider a reasonable commute. I posted
    “*PLEASE NOTE – I AM UNWILLING TO RELOCATE” in bold red font under my contact info on my on line resume to make it clear that I can’t move. PROOF that they don’t even bother to look at the resume.

  3. Sharon on 2013-07-12 6:10 pm

    I am glad I found this site! I received the same e-mail. Of course, I am looking for H1, with Masters in Math & Stats. Also, I would not want a random person to e-mail me like this. Since he did not specify any skills that’s required of me, I decided to check if it is all spam. My instinct was right. Thanks for the info.

  4. Jeremy Horne, Ph.D. on 2013-08-21 5:05 pm

    The comments here are spot on. My experiences with Panzer have been similar, but I’ll add emphatically, that some of these “recruiters” I suspect are using false names, which is plain fraud. When I talk with people who go under Mainstreet USA names, I get replies which rarely correspond to my questions. It is as if I ask, “What time is it”, and I get “It is cloudy” but in heavy accents with with no comprehension of English.

    Frankly, I think this outfit should be investigated. Again, my suspicion is that most of the personnel are not even located in the US, and as one of the commentators on this site mentioned, “Panzer” is only worried about numbers and has no sense of quality.

    I don’t want to sound conspiratorial here, but I think there is more than meets the eye, here.

  5. Keith G. on 2013-09-24 1:36 pm

    Actually, this seems more and more like Panzer is using an Indian VOIP boiler-room operation.

    I’ve seen more and more of this in the past year.

    Critical identifiers:

    1. Indian recruiter, generally with thick accent, nearly to the point of unintelligibility. Combined with:

    2. Lousy voice connection, that often garbles, and you can HEAR what sound like more recruiters, also on the phone.

    3. Call comes in nearly simultaneously with an email. This has stopped happening in the last week or so for me. . .

    4. When you look up the address of the recruiting firm, it’s USUALLY in a strip mall, apartment complex, or private home. When looking at address on Google Maps Street View. . . it’s either a Mailboxes Etc/ UPS store, or a private residence. . .

    But that’s what I’ve pieced together on these outfits. . . they seem to be OUTSOURCING a numbers-game operation. . .

  6. David Caldwell on 2013-10-02 4:33 pm

    I agree with other commenters that there does seem to be some sort of trend at work, but Panzer Solutions is in a league of their own. I have an autoresponder for @panzersolutions.com that upbraids them for past spamming, reiterates my location, and invites anyone who wants to talk to call me. I haven’t received any calls, and I have been on their list for a while.

    I must say, though, their volume has dropped precipitously recently, and the last E-mail I got was at least within reason. I haven’t responded yet. I used to get about 20 E-mails a month from them and I’ve only gotten two this year (so 9 months or so), and one of them was a not-totally-unreasonable match. So maybe they are changing (or maybe my autoresponder hectoring them for a year did the trick).

  7. Dave Aronson on 2013-10-27 9:33 pm

    Ah, kindred spirits! (Hi Keith!) I came here from a Google search for email addresses at Panzer, hoping to find someone who might actually READ my reply, telling them for the THIRD TIME not to send geographically-impossible “opportunities” (and this time, for less than half my asking rate) to an out dated email address. Much more of this and they might qualify for my latest blog — http://www.RecruitingRants.com/. :-)

  8. KM on 2013-10-28 5:07 pm

    I get spam from various employees at panzersolutions just about every day. I always spam back “remove” a few hundred times but have yet to stop receiving their spam job postings for contracts 1000 miles away from where I live.

  9. Bob V on 2013-10-29 6:25 pm

    Thanks for the help on this. I was not impressed with Panzer going in, this confirms it.

    bob

  10. MD on 2014-02-05 3:48 pm

    “Kevin Johnson” of Panzer Solutions contacted me about a job a few days ago.

    I called to speak to him. Dear Kevins’ english was not up to par, he could not follow the conversation nor articulate the job opportunity.

    Recruiters are impersonating people now.

    Nice.

  11. flint on 2014-03-25 1:54 pm

    I have nicknamed this class of head hunters the Indian Assclowns…

    They appear to be polluting the job market.

  12. Adam Gilchrist on 2014-03-31 2:16 am

    Thanks for sharing information and help on this. I was not going panzer.

  13. Scotia glori on 2014-03-31 3:04 am

    i wont say no to above, instead i’ve benefited frm panzer after long await.

  14. mcherm on 2014-03-31 8:21 am

    Scotia Glori:

    Welcome to my blog! Your thoughts and comments are welcome, and I would be interested to hear what good things you have to say about Panzer, since my viewpoint has been rather one-sided.

    I have to admit, though, that your comments puzzle me slightly. Both you and “Adam Gilchrist” posed from the same IP address in Hyderabad, India. One of the few mentions of your username that I find in a quick Google search turns up this page which (as of this writing) shows:

    from Hyderabad, India – Network: Australia – Company: Panzer Technologies – School: Panzer Solutions – College: Panzer Communications

    Obviously, that minimal research on my part signifies very little, but I would welcome a more detailed comment from you explaining what your experience was.

    — Michael Chermside

  15. Mark Schaffer on 2014-04-11 4:51 pm

    The worst thing about this outfit is its name? Would you want to do business with a company that evokes the German tank corps of WW2? Bad PR move there.

  16. Dave Aronson on 2014-05-06 8:10 am

    And now “Adam Gilchrist” is spamming the hell out of the “Ruby” and “Ruby on Rails” Google Plus communities.

  17. Chad on 2014-05-12 3:04 pm

    Glad I found this. I became skeptical after talking with Andy Kumar from there on the phone then through a few emails until he asked for the last 4 of my social security number. All the other questions in the email he already had information for. Too lazy to actually read my resume or previous emails. He stated that he found me on Monster.com so he probably is dealing with information that’s scraped from there, and never once looked at my resume I sent him.

    It’s a shame because I have dealt with recruiters in the past and would legitimately like to help them help me get a new job. I completely got the feeling that I was just being churned through a numbers game and he was checking off steps on some list without even considering what information he might already have.

  18. walter on 2014-05-26 6:48 pm

    I thank Andy from panzer. His work is excellent. i applied for BPM position.His manager Yuri is too good in update about the feed back.i am looking forward to work with them again. for some better positions. keep me posted
    Thanks.

  19. mcherm on 2014-05-27 9:52 am

    Walter:

    I am not going to remove your post, but for anyone reading this I note that “walter” provided a fake URL and a fake email address. And very little meaningful information. Please take that into account when reading this response. I would, of course, welcome any meaningful conversation, but this comment from “walter” isn’t a meaningful conversation.

  20. Anonymous on 2014-05-28 12:13 am

    I was recently approached by Panzar Solutions about a Tech Support Job. I ended up going on the interview. I really liked the position and and company, and the feeling must have been mutual because they offered me the job the same day. Only problem is that Panzar is the most unprofessional and incompetent bunch of morons I’ve ever dealt with. I had more problems with them before I even started the job than I’ve had with any other agency throughout the entire contract. Lets just say that they offer you nothing but Bulls%&t. Not only do you need a degree in Indian to English Translation to understand half of what they say. But their antics have been very shady. I ended up talking with the company I was working at (still working there)and relaying my concerns about them. Not surprised, they felt the same way. So, some changes were made and it has been smooth sailing without Panzar in the mix. My advise if you’ve been contacted by them is to find another agency offering the same job or to just decline their offer. Fortunately, I got lucky after realizing what a headache they are to work with. I would never consider a job offered by them in the future no matter how intrigued I am by it. There is always something else out there. JOB SEEKERS BEWARE OF PANZAR SOLUTIONS.

  21. its_funny on 2014-06-03 3:37 pm

    Panzar got lowest rating of F on BBB website….LOL; no offense, but I couldn’t even read the last name of the shameless dude who heads this org. I wonder if he can even correctly spell his last name…LOL wth panzar means anyways?

  22. Anonymous on 2014-07-07 10:40 pm

    Pure scum. I’ve asked at least twenty times to be removed from their database.

  23. Anonymous on 2014-07-07 10:47 pm

    List of recruiters that have contacted me from Panzer Solutions (some a couple of times). To all I’ve requested to be removed from their database:

    Raj Paul
    Andy Johnson
    Ajay Venkat
    Kishore Kumar
    Firaas Khan
    Shawn Parker
    Arshad Ali
    Derrick Galande
    Ron Hussy
    Mak Wilson
    Abhay Singh
    Raj Thakur
    Daniel Smith
    Axel Wayne

  24. Network_bob on 2014-07-11 1:58 pm

    When I see certain domains, I delete the email unread. I’m a Cisco solutions provider. CCNP level. I have minute programming abilities in the area of scripting languages but no actual compiled programming. This said, I also get hounded by Panzer solutions and companies like them. They have improved their deception by using SKYPE numbers from middle-america to delude recipients of their calls into thinking the call originates in Kentucky or Iowa. I filter all incoming calls now unless I recognize the number. There are also a large number of headhunters who lie implying they represent your potential client when they just danced around listings on Dice or Monster and decided to start their search and pile up a list of candidates then contact the hiring company and attempt to sell them on you. Insight global does this. They annoy you, bring you in for 5 of the same interview with each of their rude, loud and fast-talking staff only to tell you they represent a position, give you a description you’ve read before and know to be owned by another firm. You call them a week later and they DK you (DK=dont know, never heard of you). you say “my name is [name] and i interviewed last week for the network engineer spot at [company] and am following up. they quickly contend your interview never happened but they’d be happy to bring you in again.
    I refuse to do business with them now.

  25. colleen on 2014-07-24 7:29 pm

    Additionally, there is a word that many (from other countries) use quite a bit & that’s “revert”. Normally used as in “revert your resume'”, or revert to me.

    I hate to say this, but I’m not changing anytime soon to the person that sent the email. Just another example of non standard English.

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